I saw an interesting video excerpt from the recent Global Atheist Convention in Melbourne.
On a forum, the celebrity atheist Richard Dawkins is ridiculing the fact that the omnipotent God of Christians could find no other way to save mankind from their sins than to sacrifice his son.
Edit: Thanks to Cal, I now have the link to the actual video (from 4:15 onwards), and his exact words below.
You believe in the New Testament that God, the all-powerful creator of the universe, couldn't think of a better way to forgive humanity's sins than to have himself put on earth, tortured and executed in atonement for the sins of humanity. What kind of a horrible depraved notion is that?The Christian on the panel, who was obviously not chosen for his debating skills, could only weakly affirm that yes, this is what Christians believe, while the audience roared with laughter.
It annoyed me a bit that the Christian panelist had no explanation, but I'd probably have forgotten about it if the same Christian doctrine hadn't come up in a book I was reading later that same day.
The first thing that drew me in was disbelief. What? Humanity sins but it’s God’s Son who pays the price? I tried to imagine my Father saying to me, “Piscine, a lion slipped into the llama pen today and killed two llamas. Yesterday another one killed a black buck. Last week two of them ate the camel. The week before it was painted storks and grey herons. And who’s to say for sure who snacked on our golden agouti? The situation has become intolerable. Something must be done. I have decided that the only way the lions can atone for their sins is if I feed you to them.”Pi constrasts this pathetically weak god to the awesome Hindu gods he knows. Rama, Krishna, Bhraman; all would never allow themselves to be subjected to such indignity. How could this happen? Love. That was Father Martin’s answer. (The full excerpt of this encounter can be found here.)
“Yes, Father, that would be the right and logical thing to do. Give me a moment to wash up.”
“Hallelujah, my son.”
“Hallelujah, Father.”
A third perspective on God's sacrifice is a story I once heard, which I will try to reproduce here.
A judge with a great reputation for justice one day has to preside over his own son for an extremely severe offence.Just as we would not respect a leader who makes rules but does not keep them, so I think we would not respect a God who changes the rules at his own whim and fancy, just because he can. This is a story about consistency and faithfulness. It is also a story, as Pi learned, of love.
The judge loves his son dearly, and would like nothing better than to give him a light sentence. But he is duty-bound to uphold the law and sentences his son to death.
He then pronounces that the law also allows someone to die in his son's place, and he chooses to do so for his son.
I also got another interesting perspective from Pi on atheists and agnostics. Pi is the Indian son of a zookeeper, who goes on to double major in zoology and religious studies in Toronto. He has been variously a Hindu, a Christian and a Muslim ... I haven't finished the book yet. Many of his fellow scientists are atheists, and this is how he describes them:
Atheists are my brothers and sisters of a different faith, and every word they speak, speaks of faith. Like me, they go as far as the legs of reason will carry them – and then they leap.He finds it amazing that some people can believe a supreme being exists, but not be bothered to figure out who it is or what it is like. I find myself nodding in agreement.
It is not atheists who get stuck in my craw, but agnostics. Doubt is useful for a while. We must all pass through the garden of Gethsemane. If Christ played with doubt, so must we. If Christ spent an anguished night in prayer, if He burst out from the Cross, ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’ then surely we are also permitted doubt. But we must move on. To choose doubt as a philosophy of life is akin to choosing immobility as a means of transportation.
(Thanks to Cori for transcribing these quotes. She has a very interesting Christian blog, together with her atheist husband.)
